Andres Duany at TAG 4.2

Members of the TradArch list gather in Charleston for the first TAG. (photo by author)

The architect and planner Andrés Duany, who was a founder of the Congress of the New Urbanism back in the 1990s, gave the final lecture at the fourth session of TAG 4.2, this year’s gathering via Zoom of classicists, now rebranded by the Classic Planning Institute as the Stoa – an ancient Greek word for marketplace.

Duany bombarded the attendees with his patented verve, forcing many to run for cover (figuratively). He repeatedly accused classical architecture of allowing its reverence for traditional forms to thwart the need to compete with the creativity of modern architecture, declaring that “our strength is that we build on the past but our weakness is that we don’t learn from the future.”

His audience expected none of this. Nor his declaration that the treatise he had promised to write after he and his wife, Lizz Plater-Zyberk, won the Driehaus Prize back in 2009 was on its way to completion and had not been abandoned, as almost all classicists had supposed.

In his lecture, Duany complained that this generation of classicists was the only one to have never produced a treatise explaining itself and mapping its future – because, he said, classicists had done nothing new in decades. “Whatever we build must be as correct as Palladio,” he said with regret, “even more so.”

In Duany’s book (literally, and I helped edit the first volume of the treatise, called Heterodoxia Architectonica, back in 2015, for which I was generously paid), there have been four periods during which classicists girded their aesthetic loins after periods of architectural dissipation. Duany calls these periods “recalls,” and that is a good word – a call to order in the face of disorder.

The first recall was the Renaissance, in which Italian architects, having discovered the ancient Roman treatise of Vitruvius, replaced Romanesque, Gothic and other styles of the Dark Ages. The second recall tightened up the classical canon after the exuberent rise of Baroque, Rococo and Mannerist styles in the 17th and 18th centuries. In the third recall, the École des Beaux Arts reimposed canonical discipline after its dissipation in the Eclectic period, which concluded, in the 20th, with the rise of modernism.

The current fourth recall has failed to restrain modernism, but still introduced a contemporary classical revival, including its instruction in a very few architecture schools such as Notre Dame. This movement has pushed back against modernist dominance of the profession and of almost all other academies.

Duany’s treatise aims to lead a fifth recall to gird the loins of the fourth recall, in part by redirecting it toward the young, who need a mission more ambitious than polishing the pillars of past classicism. The fifth recall intends to strengthen the canon by promoting greater innovation and the inclusion of allegedly successful modernist practices, and also by recapturing innovative classical architects who have been kidnapped by the modernists, such as José Plecnik and Louis Sullivan.

Yet even as he supports classicism and condemns modern architecture, Duany gives the trads less credit than they deserve and the mods more credit than they deserve. “It is not true that modernism is bullshit,” he argues, adding that “we’re wrong that glass walls and flat roofs don’t work.” He adds that some modernists now use brick walls and punched windows, which he says were once verboten in the modernist canon, and then he decries the “asymmetry that they learn from us but we don’t learn from them.” More curiously, he claims it is a “mistake to raise the banner of beauty.”

Huh? If not beauty, what? And what, really, can classicists learn from what modernists are designing? If some modernists are learning from classicists, then let them learn some more. Duany says that modernists lie all the time, and that a modernist design proposal often bears no resemblance to what the building will look like. Are these the techniques traditionalists should embrace?

Duany certainly overstates the case that classicists are insipid and the modernists are bold. Many modernists copy the recent past, and many classicists break with a canon that they understand quite well. But classicism, frankly, is about following traditions. With its gargantuan sterility, modernism seems to be laying a template for authoritarian rule. Classicism is the architecture of freedom and of free will. Building on the past conduces to cultural stability, empowers the meaning of tradition, fortifies respect for democratic norms, and strengthens the public’s preference for architecture that they understand and are familiar with, which enables the public to join a civilized polity to address grievances peacefully, which is what the U.S. Constitution is all about, and its equivalents in other democratic societies. Modern architecture has nothing to do with any of that.

This brief report inevitably distorts Duany’s lecture and the ideas of his treatise. His analysis contains much truth, and his expression of the current discourse of architecture is vivid and compelling. But the fact is that Duany’s own discourse, however valid, is an exercise in complexity. He abandons the chief virtue and the powerful strategic advantage classicism holds over modernism, which is that of clarity. The public knows very well the difference between classical and modern architecture, and wants no part of the latter. Duany calls, instead, on classicists to mix and match traditional and modernist concepts, and expects professional and lay people to follow a convoluted discourse. Let us all memorize the Heterodoxia Architectonica, when it comes out. It will not help. He calls on classicists to dilute classicism and embrace modernism in varying degrees. That would make more confusion than anything else, and erode progress toward a classical revival.

TAG, which is now called Stoa and was called @TradArch when first held in Charleston by a few dozen attendees (meeting in person), still boasts adherents whose views contradict those of other adherents. That was true in 2015 (see “Trading TradArch trash talk“) and is still true today. This is called discourse.

I imagine most attendees at TAG 4.2 managed to pick and choose what parts of Andrés Duany’s lecture they liked best. Here’s what I liked best:

Unlike modernists, classicists are incredibly concerned with humans and humanism. We don’t respond to the culture but try to reform the culture. The modernists don’t reform a damn thing, they only express it. The world is ready for the recovery of western culture. … The world needs a revolutionary movement: not what’s new but what’s best.

Well said.

About David Brussat

This blog was begun in 2009 as a feature of the Providence Journal, where I was on the editorial board and wrote a weekly column of architecture criticism for three decades. Architecture Here and There fights the style wars for classical architecture and against modern architecture, no holds barred. History Press asked me to write and in August 2017 published my first book, "Lost Providence." I am now writing my second book. My freelance writing on architecture and other topics addresses issues of design and culture locally and globally. I am a member of the board of the New England chapter of the Institute of Classical Architecture & Art, which bestowed an Arthur Ross Award on me in 2002. I work from Providence, R.I., where I live with my wife Victoria, my son Billy and our cat Gato. If you would like to employ my writing and editing to improve your work, please email me at my consultancy,, or call 401.351.0457. Testimonial: "Your work is so wonderful - you now enter my mind and write what I would have written." - Nikos Salingaros, mathematician at the University of Texas, architectural theorist and author of many books.
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12 Responses to Andres Duany at TAG 4.2

  1. Carroll Westfall says:

    I always learn something useful from Andres’ bluster, not necessarily what he wants me to learn, but something. His admonition to put greater vigor into selling the value of tradition was important, as was his suggestion that tradition absorb more from Modernism, but what is there worth taking? Andres is always too much the artist and never enough the citizen, even when engaging in politics. And I see nothing wrong with letting Modernists know the harm they are inflicting.

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    • Yes, Bill, as I said in my post Andres is amazingly compelling, but I think the big error in his recent discourse is to succumb to the temptation of complexity. Letting modernists know of the harm they are causing (and agreeing that it is indeed harm that they are causing) is a basic tenet of traditional work in architecture. Introducing an open-minded attitude toward modern architecture by embracing things it does right (if any) and embracing an attitude of “let a thousand flowers bloom” sounds very nice but will not make us more sensitive to things we might learn from modernists and incorporate in trad work. Instead, it would water down our basic instincts and diminish our will to do the combat that is necessary if tradition is ever to replace experimentation in architecture. Those who do not want to “do the combat” are free to refrain from doing it, and concentrate on other ways to strengthen traditional architecture (such as by designing it and building it), but it would be unfortunate if they were to unintentionally sap what little strength we have in conducting the style wars.

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  2. John the First says:

    “our strength is that we build on the past but our weakness is that we don’t learn from the future.”

    The more absurd the design is, the more they love it, the more absurd their creeds are, the more they love them. The more hollow and thoughtless their buildings are, the better, the more hollow and thoughtless their creeds are, the better. Modernists are definitely the most in touch with modern culture.


    • John the First says:

      “Unlike modernists, classicists are incredibly concerned with humans and humanism. We don’t respond to the culture but try to reform the culture. The modernists don’t reform a damn thing, they only express it. The world is ready for the recovery of western culture. … The world needs a revolutionary movement: not what’s new but what’s best.”

      What I notice in various posts and reactions on this website is that the language is full of creeds and slogans (not that of David), some sensible, but ideological, creeds and slogans destroy real thinking. These creeds are the product of officialism, officialism is a hindrance to cultural development. Creeds and slogans should be very marginally used. Most broadly, the whole of modern culture is saturated with creeds and slogans, hijacking and destroying individual thinking.

      Another thing is that the nature of these expressions is large, too large for human scale… You don’t arrive at human scale by means of pompous ideological globalist creed & slogan saturated language. And by all means, as stated above, saturation with creeds and slogans of the most broadest ideological extent is very modernist (in the broadest sense).

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      • I agree generally, John, with your comment and subcomment, but doubt that there’s anything much that can be done about it. I am hardly the first person to notice that in almost every realm, human conduct and human institutions are moving away from a healthy simplicity into a dangerous complexity, resulting already in an increasing loss of control across the spectrum of human activity, including architecture. If this is what you are referring to, then I certainly agree.

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  3. David Andreozzi AIA says:

    I missed it, unfortunately, and look forward to seeing a recording. Thank you for there view David. That said, I agree with almost all the positions that you described above. If we don’t take our heads out of our cobwebbed posteriors and accept the role of modern exploration in traditional and classical architecture, the movement will towards a more beautiful architecture… one imbibed with in inner venustas, will die. Follow us at where we will try and search for a solution forward.


    • I think that if we try (as you seem to be suggesting, David) to take a more modernist view of innovation, or exploration, into classical architecture that things will just get all confusing and many people will be put off by the indecisiveness that comes with compromise. I may be wrong, but I feel that the chief advantage that trads have over mods is that the public prefers the former to the latter by a large margin, and that the difference between them is very clear in the eyes of the public. Maybe this is less true of young people, but maybe young people are also yearning for something more “comforting” in this wacky world. I think classicism is progressing slowly but surely, and that such changes as Andres suggests would slow things down rather than speed things up.

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  4. Colum Mulhern says:

    Couldn’t be….. when does that date from?


    • Matthew Hardy says:

      From when his DPZ was called Arquitectonica. They were famous in the early 1980s, but quickly pivoted to traditional architecture and urbanism after Andres met Leon Krier and realised that Krier was right. Or so Andres told me, anyway.


      • I think you are right, Matthew. That’s what I’ve heard too. Andres turned away from the stuff that Arquitectonica was doing toward what DPZ has done, and now seems to be turning away from that. CNU has traveled a similar path, it seems. When it was planning traditional new towns and city infill using traditional patterns and styles, it gained immense popularity. Now CNU boasts that it is neutral as to style, and has taken on a plethora of new roles. I don’t think its popularity has remained at its high early peak.


  5. LazyReader says:

    Duany has no objection to modernism? Last I checked this was his firms most famous projects


    • Lazy, is that DPZ or Arquitectonica (his first firm, I think it was called). I don’t think DPZ does that kind of stuff, though I could be wrong. Maybe DPZ is like RAMSA, which is also famous for its trad work but also does mod stuff.


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